# Total Finder 1.12.3 and OSX 10.15.4 Arrgh! **URL:** \ **Category:** TotalFinder\ **Tags:** bug, support\ **Created:** [April 16, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602 "2020-04-16T13:39:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![theadler](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/7feea3/32.png) [@theadler](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/theadler)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/1 "2020-04-16T13:39:48Z")
Total Finder 1.12.3 in OSX 10.15.4 seems quite unstable and crashes or does not launch on restart. All advice would be welcome! Thank you, Long time paid user ---
**Author:** ![VinceC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/v/bcef8e/32.png) [@VinceC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/VinceC)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:32pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/2 "2020-04-16T14:32:56Z")
I have the same problem on start-up. Once started I can run the app again and it works ---
**Author:** ![RickO](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@RickO](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/RickO)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/3 "2020-04-16T14:38:39Z")
Same versions are working fine for me. I do have a macro that launches TF 5 seconds after Finder starts. I don’t know if that’s what’s making mine launch reliably. ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/4 "2020-04-16T16:22:41Z")
@theadler A crash report could help me. I assume TotalFinder Crash Reporter did not prompt you to send me the crash report. Maybe try to run this diagnostics script for me and send it to [support@binaryage.com](mailto:support@binaryage.com) [https://gist.github.com/darwin/aad9b3f0eca7761c3e72d13e85496134](https://gist.github.com/darwin/aad9b3f0eca7761c3e72d13e85496134) thanks ---
**Author:** ![Ken](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/cc9497/32.png) [@Ken](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/Ken)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 9:27am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/5 "2020-04-17T09:27:16Z")
Have you partially turned off SIP? I have both debug and FS turned off as my standard configuration and have had no problems with loading TF as part of my login. If I run: csrutil status I get the following results: System Integrity Protection status: unknown (Custom Configuration). Configuration: Apple Internal: disabled Kext Signing: enabled Filesystem Protections: disabled Debugging Restrictions: disabled DTrace Restrictions: enabled NVRAM Protections: enabled BaseSystem Verification: enabled This is an unsupported configuration, likely to break in the future and leave your machine in an unknown state. Note that it says unsupported configuration. I have had no problems with this configuration throughout the entire macOS beta cycle. I am currently running10.15.5 beta (19f621). You can try this by doing the following: Boot into recovery mode select Terminal from the menu line run: “csrutil disable” (turns off SIP) reboot boot into recovery mode (2nd time) Select Terminal run “csrutil enable --without debug --without fs” reboot. run “csrutil status” and you should get the results shown above. Now TF should run on boot up. (Obviously, you type the command without the “quotes” . If this isn’t your personal machine, I wouldn’t advise doing this, and the commands in csrutil are preceded by double - as in – ) ---
**Author:** ![Gex2501](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/gex2501/32/2940_2.png) [@Gex2501](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/Gex2501)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/total-finder-1-12-3-and-osx-10-15-4-arrgh/7602/6 "2020-04-18T19:57:27Z")
I have also noticed an issue. I have the tabs enabled with narrow tab bar and sometimes the tab will go black after having been open for a while. I close the entire finder window and start over with my tabs.