# TotalFinder status under OS X 10.11 (El Capitan) **URL:** \ **Category:** TotalFinder\ **Created:** [June 14, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858 "2015-06-14T20:46:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Wally\_Cullen](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/58956e/32.png) [@Wally\_Cullen](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/Wally_Cullen)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2015, 11:12pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/82 "2015-09-11T23:12:34Z")
i notice that when expanding DMG - the tool bar is not completely visible - when checking Complete TAB disable it returns OK. this occurs only when installing an update. ---
**Author:** ![odhez](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/bbce88/32.png) [@odhez](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/odhez)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/83 "2015-09-12T13:03:28Z")
Any news about timeline to get a first working version of Total Finder under El Capitan GM Thanks ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2015, 3:47pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/84 "2015-09-12T15:47:11Z")
@odhez depends on your definition of “working version”, the latest beta should work under El Capitan GM with disabled System Integrity Protection. The latest beta[1] does not have all the functionality of TotalFinder under Yosemite, because I wasn’t able to reimplement them or it would be too much effort. I’m sorry. This blogpost summarises it: [http://blog.binaryage.com/el-capitan-update/](http://blog.binaryage.com/el-capitan-update/) [1] [http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#latest](http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#latest) ---
**Author:** ![odhez](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/bbce88/32.png) [@odhez](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/odhez)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 8:08am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/85 "2015-09-13T08:08:40Z")
Many thanks darwin for the answer. I tried to find after reboot on El Capitan GM version the System Integrity Protection menu, but it’s seem that it’s not anymore available. Do you confirm it ? ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 9:02am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/86 "2015-09-13T09:02:09Z")
@odhez they just removed it from GUI recently, please follow this post: [TotalSpaces2 status under OS X 10.11 (El Capitan)](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalspaces2-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3828/65?u=darwin) ---
**Author:** ![willynanita](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/willynanita/32/47_2.png) [@willynanita](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/willynanita)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/87 "2015-09-13T13:42:59Z")
Here’s my story: I installed beta (don’t remember which one) on a second partition. Was able to remove the system integrity protection from that installation. Never used it much. When El Capitan GM went out I upgraded my main Yosemite installation to El Capitan GM. I didn’t have to do anything, TF is working perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![onur](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/onur/32/1483_2.png) [@onur](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/onur)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2015, 8:45am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/88 "2015-09-18T08:45:38Z")
It is unnecessary to completely disable the rootless. You can disable partially to run TotalFinder. I’ve executed `csrutil enable --without debug` command after I’d completely disabled it. This command ensures that you can fully utilise from the rootless except code injection protection. You may check which protections are enabled with `csrutil status` command. Finally, please keep up the good work for El Capitan. It’s still working without code injection protection. That, I can live without. ---
**Author:** ![greg](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/greg/32/691_2.png) [@greg](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/greg)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2015, 2:19am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/89 "2015-09-19T02:19:50Z")
Has anyone here tried XtraFinder? I know posting this on BinaryAge’s forums is probably frowned upon, but with all of the talk of Pathfinder (unusable coming from TF as far as I am concerned), I figure this is probably a better recommendation. I just found via Googling “Finder replacements OS X” and came across a [NetTuts+ Tutorial](http://computers.tutsplus.com/tutorials/why-a-finder-replacement-is-still-a-good-idea--mac-60841). I have installed it, and while it’s not a TF replacement exactly, it does have many of the most beloved and relied upon features, such as a hotkey for sliding the visor up from the bottom (be careful, they call it “Pinnable Windows” which sounds like TF’s Pinned Window, which is a totally different thing. It took a while to figure out that it was referring to the slide-up visor feature. It’s also got a lot of other TF features, but some of them are simply not working for me, such as “Folders on Top”. Nonetheless, it at least works in 10.11 as opposed to simply crashing/not launching a la TF right now. But this gives me hope. If a lone developer can get so many of these features to work, I wonder if BinaryAge can’t refactor TF to fly under the radar and give us most of the functionality we have come to rely on? ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/90 "2015-09-28T11:25:59Z")
I have just released TotalFinder 1.7.2 on beta channel: [http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#v1.7.2](http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#v1.7.2) And updated the website with instructions how to disable System Integrity Protection: [http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/system-integrity-protection](http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/system-integrity-protection) ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/92 "2015-09-29T13:30:52Z")
I have just released TotalFinder 1.7.3 on beta channel: [http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#v1.7.3](http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/beta-changes#v1.7.3) I’m going to release this one on the stable channel in a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![sblinda](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@sblinda](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/sblinda)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:13am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/93 "2015-10-01T11:13:19Z")
i use the tweak to restore totalfinder how can I reactive the original security? tnx ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 11:15am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/94 "2015-10-01T11:15:41Z")
To enable System Integrity Protection, you have to run `csrutil enable` in recovery mode. Here you have documentation from Apple: [https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/documentation/Security/Conceptual/System\_Integrity\_Protection\_Guide/ConfiguringSystemIntegrityProtection/ConfiguringSystemIntegrityProtection.html](https://developer.apple.com/library/prerelease/mac/documentation/Security/Conceptual/System_Integrity_Protection_Guide/ConfiguringSystemIntegrityProtection/ConfiguringSystemIntegrityProtection.html) ---
**Author:** ![goldmar](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/goldmar/32/1496_2.png) [@goldmar](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/goldmar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 12:14pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/95 "2015-10-01T12:14:36Z")
Not gonna upgrade for now. Do you think there’s any chance Apple will provide some sort of solution? Or maybe you can make a standalone app similar to TotalFinder? ---
**Author:** ![fuwaneko](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/fuwaneko/32/1287_2.png) [@fuwaneko](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/fuwaneko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:10pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/96 "2015-10-01T13:10:14Z")
I tried to work without TotalFinder for a couple of hours. It’s not possible. Default Finder lacks basic features, alternatives are either too obese or lack something as simple as switching quickview file with arrow keys. _I better live without SIP_ than without TotalFinder. Please, don’t lose hope, maybe you can work with Apple on this, because “Folders on Top” is one of the most asked features for Finder, and they know it. ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/97 "2015-10-01T13:25:44Z")
Just to answer your question. There is a 0.1% chance that Apple will provide some sort of solution. And 0% chance that I will make a standalone Finder replacement 😉 ---
**Author:** ![goldmar](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/goldmar/32/1496_2.png) [@goldmar](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/goldmar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/98 "2015-10-01T13:45:18Z")
Let’s hope that they know it. Folders on top was the primary reason why I bought TotalFinder, maybe Apple will implement it themselves? Should not be too hard… ---
**Author:** ![headkaze](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@headkaze](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/headkaze)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 7:47pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/99 "2015-10-01T19:47:14Z")
I just performed an upgrade to my Hackintosh using Clover and it has an option to partially disable SIP. [http://www.idelta.info/archives/sip-rootless-internal-in-el-capitan/](http://www.idelta.info/archives/sip-rootless-internal-in-el-capitan/) The setting most people seem to be using is: CsrActiveConfig 0x3 0x0 = SIP Enabled (Default) 0x3 = SIP Partially Disabled (Loads unsigned kexts) 0x67 = SIP Disabled completely Currently when I launch TotalFinder 1.7.3 it detects SIP as active when I have it set to 0x3. Is there anyway you can make it work with the minimal requirements for a Hackintosh install? ---
**Author:** ![darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/darwin/32/2275_2.png) [@darwin](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/darwin)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/100 "2015-10-01T19:52:47Z")
Well, here[1] I instruct users to disable only minimal part of SIP on a standard Mac setup, that `--without debug` is undocumented parameter reverse-engineered by hackintosh guys. TotalFinder needs code injection, which is enabled by allowing “TASK for PID” operation, not kext loading. It is the third bit: [https://github.com/Piker-Alpha/csrstat/blob/master/csrstat.c#L23](https://github.com/Piker-Alpha/csrstat/blob/master/csrstat.c#L23). [1] [http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/system-integrity-protection](http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/system-integrity-protection) ---
**Author:** ![headkaze](https://discuss.binaryage.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/41988e/32.png) [@headkaze](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/headkaze)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2015, 8:11pm UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/101 "2015-10-01T20:11:23Z")
> TotalFinder needs code injection, which is enabled by allowing “TASK for PID” operation, not kext loading. Setting CsrActiveConfig to 0x7 works great. Thanks darwin. ---
**Author:** ![abajo](https://discuss.binaryage.com/user_avatar/discuss.binaryage.com/abajo/32/1506_2.png) [@abajo](https://discuss.binaryage.com/u/abajo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2015, 10:09am UTC](https://discuss.binaryage.com/t/totalfinder-status-under-os-x-10-11-el-capitan/3858/102 "2015-10-02T10:09:29Z")
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