Can we help test Total Spaces 3 if we have Apple silicon?

sam · May 28, 2024, 10:42am

navigating spaces seems to be a general problem with macOS 14.5. Other apps also have issues:

on Sonoma 14.5 moving window to space is not working

opened 05:19PM - 23 Apr 24 UTC

closed 11:22AM - 18 May 24 UTC

typing yabai -m window --space 2 --focus doesn't yield any results. SIP is dis…abled. config: yabai -m signal --add event=dock_did_restart action="sudo yabai --load-sa" sudo yabai --load-sa # global settings yabai -m config mouse_follows_focus on yabai -m config focus_follows_mouse on yabai -m config window_placement second_child yabai -m config split_ratio 0.50 yabai -m config mouse_modifier alt yabai -m config mouse_action1 move yabai -m config mouse_action2 resize # general space settings yabai -m config layout bsp yabai -m config top_padding 5 yabai -m config bottom_padding 5 yabai -m config left_padding 5 yabai -m config right_padding 5 yabai -m config window_gap 5 echo "yabai configuration loaded.." #disable soecific apps yabai -m rule --add app="^System Settings$" manage=off yabai -m rule --add app="^Calculator$" manage=off yabai -m rule --add app="^Finder$" manage=off yabai -m rule --add app="^Messages$" manage=off yabai -m rule --add app="^Obsidian$" manage=off borders active_color=0xF0BE8900 inactive_color=0xff494d64 width=3.0 style=round hidpi=on&

github.com/Hammerspoon/hammerspoon

hs.spaces.moveWindowToSpace not working

opened 08:55AM - 13 May 24 UTC

akarsai

the following code snippet used to work for me, but stopped working a few weeks …ago. the snippet is responsible for finding the current terminal window, moving it to the active space, and activating it. unfortunately, the window is not moved by hammerspoon. the line`hs.spaces.moveWindowToSpace(app:mainWindow(), currentSpace)` is not working as it should, and returns `true` even though the window was not succesfully moved. can anyone reproduce the issue and/or does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? unfortunately, i do not exactly know what i have changed, it could be also be a macOS update that is at fault here. i use macOS 14.5 Beta (23F5064f). ```lua -- quickly open kitty (terminal) hs.hotkey.bind({"cmd"}, "g", function() local windowPosition = '0.2,0.4,0.8,0.9' -- Get current space local currentSpace = hs.spaces.focusedSpace() -- Get kitty app local app = hs.application.get("kitty") -- If app already open: if app then -- If no main window, then open a new window if not app:mainWindow() then app:selectMenuItem("New OS Window", true) hs.timer.doAfter(.05,function () app:mainWindow():raise() app:mainWindow():moveToUnit(windowPosition) end) -- If app is already in front, then hide it elseif app:isFrontmost() then app:hide() -- If there is a main window somewhere, bring it to current space and to front else -- First move the main window to the current space hs.spaces.moveWindowToSpace(app:mainWindow(), currentSpace) -- Activate the app app:activate() --Raise the main window and position correctly app:mainWindow():raise() app:mainWindow():moveToUnit(windowPosition) end -- If app not open, open it else hs.application.launchOrFocus("kitty") hs.timer.doAfter(.2,function () app = hs.application.get("kitty") app:mainWindow():raise() app:mainWindow():moveToUnit(windowPosition) end) end end) ```

hangloose · June 3, 2024, 4:36pm

same problem here, quite annoying, TS is loosing a key functionality. Anyone has solved this issue, a fix or workaround ?

peterdodds · June 10, 2024, 3:16pm

Same issue with 14.5: Can’t move windows between spaces. I may have to go back to Linux.

atoxx · June 10, 2024, 3:29pm

As far as i heard from the Dev, the App seems to be discontinued, at least for now

nambrosch · June 10, 2024, 6:06pm

Where did you hear that? I mean, it seems pretty obvious, but as far as I’m aware it was never stated anyplace.

atoxx · June 10, 2024, 7:10pm

Well, maybe no discontinued exaclty, but the Dev said, he has no time for it atm, and this is a while ago, and due nothing changed, it seems obvious

nambrosch · June 12, 2024, 2:21pm

Yeah that’s what I thought - let out to pasture in order to slowly die.

I’ve been looking for a replacement but never really found anything so robust… closest that I came was https://spacecapsule.app

jwpace00 · June 25, 2024, 1:07am

Yes, the inability to move windows (instances of applications) from space-to-space in grid view is tough to deal with: I’ve been using grid-based window managers since the SunOS days (uggh).

As it stands, I navigate the grid using the Cmd-Arrow functions and when I need to move a window, hot corner to Mission Control and move windows in spaces there.

I’d really welcome a fix if the APIs aren’t totally horked.

(I’m on Sonoma 14.5 on an M1, FWIW. I held off upgrades for years)

funk · July 11, 2024, 1:23pm

I am on 14.5 and still able to use TS3. Not sure what I have done differently but I am on an M1 MBP.

Zachary_Reese · July 15, 2024, 1:41pm

Thank you… think I’m going to switch to this. Looks promising. Not being able to drag windows between spaces kind of broke the camels back here.

funk · July 29, 2024, 9:37pm

Anyone know how Sequoia fares yet?

Svenja · September 15, 2024, 5:09pm

I am on 14.6.1 on a Mid 2020 MB Air M1 and TS 0.9.125.
Runs ok, quite usable, can move Windows between Desktops.
Quite happy with it.

Svenja · September 15, 2024, 5:38pm

Ughh, seems I was to fast with my praise for TS3. I can move windows between spaces, but it is not persistent. As soon as I leave grid overview and activate it again, the windows are in their old spaces!

jasonba · September 19, 2024, 2:20pm

Interesting, I’ve noticed this has started happening in the last few weeks.
Try to move a window, appears to work … come out of grid view, nah-yeah-nah, the window is still in the old desktop.

I’m on macOS 13.6.9

StegosaurusFriend · September 20, 2024, 5:38am

Dear everyone who’s asking about moving windows to different spaces: It looks like the problem is not TotalSpaces3, but Apple! From SpaceCapsule.app’s site: https://spacecapsule.app/

"FAQ
Does Space Capsule require special privileges to work?

No special privileges are required, but if you want to use the trackpad gesture to show the grid, the app does need accessibility privileges to receive trackpad input. Space Capsule only uses this privilege to process gesture input and nothing else, and does not retain or transmit any user data.

Why do I need to visit a Space before Space Capsule knows about it?

There is no publicly supported way for third party developers to manipulate or know about Spaces in macOS.
Space Capsule can uniquely identify and return to a Space that you're on, though, without having to use any private frameworks or unsupported macOS functionality.

Why can’t I remove a Space from within Space Capsule?

This is another limitation of not being able to manipulate Spaces as a third party developer in macOS.

Can I use Space Capsule to move windows from one Space to another?

Unfortunately not. This is another feature that is not publicly supported in macOS for third party developers.

"
(Back to me posting: )
So basically Apple ruined Spaces, then decided that wasn’t bad enough and decided to prevent 3rd Party developers from fixing what they broke. I hate to say it but I can see why the TotalSpaces developers gave up and stopped working on this – Apple is hell-bent on destroying its UI and won’t let any pesky 3rd party developers save the UI from them!

K_D · October 1, 2024, 3:57pm

Regarding TotalSpaces3, or TS3, it no longer supports moving windows in grid view on the recent Sonoma and Sequoia updates. The animation appears, but the window does not move. Fortunately, other applications like Yabai and Amethyst can successfully move windows to different spaces, suggesting that TS3 could potentially adapt to the changes implemented by Apple. Unfortunately, it appears that TS3 has been abandoned for some time, and the developer has not yet decided to make it open source.

StegosaurusFriend · October 2, 2024, 6:29am

Disable? I don’t think so. Speed transitions up? Yes, the default animation speed is soooooo sloooooow.

Enter this in terminal and it’ll be snappier:

defaults write com.binaryage.TotalSpaces3 transitionSpeed -int 1000